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Soldier and a Pagan?
Do you think that being a pagan means you cant be a soldier and go to war? I want to know your views!
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Permalink Reply by abyss of my soul on
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well, i just got out of the Marines Corps and i'm a pagan. so, i guess my answer to that would be yes.
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Permalink Reply by Hunter on
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I am currently in the Army and I am a Wiccan. I have been deployed to war zones and I have killed and I have not lost one second sleep over it. Harm none also means yourself and if someone is standing in front of me with an AK47 well then its him or me and "me" plans on not dying.
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It's fine and NO issue to serve your country. If you look up Selena Fox, you'll be SO enlightened. I would Never wish you to be " Gone ", but she has been to Congress and won for ALL of us. All while batteling ovarian cancer. Wicca is a recognized Religon for one, but she's got them finally after MANY years to recognize the Pentacle of our Faith, and they are now being put on those brave Soldiers that gave their life for their Country. I know this will help you.
Bless Be
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Permalink Reply by AJSwicca on
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Their is a famous pagan, by the name of Ed Fitch, I love his books..........anyway, he was in air force for whole career, he is a fighter pilot, and very wise.
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The only war I worry about is when are we pagans going to impale Jim Baker, the christian fanatic, that is still on tv in Branson, Mo....................................???? He spent 10 years in jail for fraud, and theft of money sent to his "christian compound" ..............and promptly got out of jail, and started his 'ministry" again.......remember his former wife was Tammy Fay Baker, the clown with caked on makeup.??? Now, that is bizarre
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Permalink Reply by Jinkn Sandlehept on
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You are speaking to a retired Air Force Pagan. No, there is no conflict. I've been to war many times.
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Permalink Reply by Dragons Warlock on
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Greetings Jade...am sorry to hear that your man is struglling with this dilemma...he shouldn't have to...however since he is in this type of situation there are many things he can do...for one he must first of all be very careful that he keep his ways to himself...TELL NO ONE...not even as joke...second...he in is in a very special place...being around the most basic and primal mode of human behavior he can take advantage of this...if he has the time and somelimited place of temporary privacy...this is a good place to conjure up some demons from deep within the Darkness to aid him in his fight...he can also protect himself from harm by creating his own protection circle and asking for guidance and spritual health...the demons of war or all about him and if he contacts some of them that fight with him he can call upon them to help his cause...be carefull that he dont call upon the wrong one...if you know of any by name give them to him to call upon...this will help him...i know that if it were me in that situation i would be calling upon many of the creatures that iknow in the underworld and setting them free to help end this war...i know of many many creatures and beings that would love the chance to come here for a time and destroy those that persecute...mony of them would come and play just for fun...after all they are just looking for reason to get out of hell for a little "play time"...but if he is not into conjuring them then he needs to do a cricle of power for himself and ask for his faith to guide him and keep him safe until he can return to you...Blessed BE...and may Darkness be with you and your man...not to seem nosey but contact me directly thru this mail thing and i will discuss a few other options for you and him...DW
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But, one MUST be ever mindful of the Dark Ones, as they can and do become yet another enemy. Timing is everything here, and too much of a bad thing can be as bad as too much of a good thing. The Delicate Balance. Yin/Yan, " To The Other Half Of The Sky " and " As Above, So Is Below ". You and your man MUST believe, but ALWAYS be mindful and alert of ALL around you. Just as doing a Circle for Ritual, one Commands the Circle as well as the Quarters ( And Magick ). They are like children, and need to know that They are NOT in charge.
The same as we " know " our Dragons ( My husband and I use the Dragons, but there are countless " others ", like Fairies, sometimes Angels, and the list is Endless ), we MUST know better the " Dark Side " or they will take over. You NEED to research them to know the " How To " stop them when it is time to.
Blessed Be )0(
Bonnie
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To Impale Mr. Baker, would be behaving as he does. There are far too many " Sheep " out there, that need to be told what to do. If they're ignorant enough to follow that FOOL, then as the Wiccan Rede says, " With a fool no seasons spend, or be counted as his friend ".
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Permalink Reply by ARIAL on
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Yes, I strongly believe that Pagans can serve our country in war just as well as anyone else.
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You know, I have watched his show, and I can't believe what he gets away with, especially when you consider he has been criminally charged...........wake up people, do you really want to give this fraudulent retard money?????
Donna said:
I believe that Mr. Baker has impaled himself. Only the most ignorant would follow him now and they will certainly not be a help to him on any level. His wife, Tammy Faye, died of cancer. Who knows where their hearts were when they began their careers. Our society has exalted "things" and wealth to the position of power over peoples' more positive instincts. We are sending our men and women to the Middle East to fight in conflicts that were begun for the purpose of furthering the pursuit of wealth by the most powerful in our country.
There is talk, again, of a draft because enlistments have fallen and there is a need for another 30,000 troops in Afghanistan which will spread the military much more thinly elsewhere in the world. And, our armies are everywhere.
I believe than everyone should have the right to choose whether or not to fight in any conflict based on their belief in whether the conflict is right in their own morality.
The world is changing rapidly before our eyes.
AJSwicca said:
The only war I worry about is when are we pagans going to impale Jim Baker, the christian fanatic, that is still on tv in Branson, Mo....................................???? He spent 10 years in jail for fraud, and theft of money sent to his "christian compound" ..............and promptly got out of jail, and started his 'ministry" again.......remember his former wife was Tammy Fay Baker, the clown with caked on makeup.??? Now, that is bizarre
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Permalink Reply by Alexandra Iris on
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The whole Bhagavad Gita addresses this issue.Krishna is the charioteer to the prince Arjuna who is about to go into battle against family and friends over his older brother's claim to the throne of the Kurus.This incarnation of Vishnu lovingly advises Prince Arjuna of his roll and subsequent karma in the tragic fight about to happen..."Why does the selfless action lead to self-realization? It is not a matter of *good* action being divinaly rewarded. Self-realization is not some compensation for good deeds. We can understand the dynamics if we remember that the Gita's emphasis is on the mind. Most human activity, good and bad, is tainted by ego-involvment. Such activity cannot purify consciousness because it goes on generating new karma in the mind-in practicle terms we go on getting intangled in what we do. Selfless work purifies consciousness because when there is no trace of ego involvement new karma is not produced; the mind is simply working out the karma it has already accumulated-colloquialy, it's hangups."from The Bhagavad Gita translated for the modern reader by EKNATH EASWARAN>> I highly recommend this book for those of us that are conserned with the issue of commiting violence. I hope this was helpfull...Blessed Be
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