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Are we all Neopagans ? ...
Following the course of history we know with certainty that all the major religions of the world plus the minor ones, including New Age Cults and Movements, are born and shaped following the previous Pagan old ones.
So we can say with confidence that we are the development-evolution of the previous ones.
At this point the final result is that no matter what we believe, all of us are "the sons" of Paganism.
Then we can call ourselves without doubts the new Pagans or NeoPagans!!
What do you think about this evidence?
So we can say with confidence that we are the development-evolution of the previous ones.
At this point the final result is that no matter what we believe, all of us are "the sons" of Paganism.
Then we can call ourselves without doubts the new Pagans or NeoPagans!!
What do you think about this evidence?
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Comment by Torey on January 22, 2009 at 2:19am
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That comment by Donna, that Satan is a Christian invention, is incredibly ignorant and hypocritical. If you call ONE deity from ANY religion 'invented' - then you therefore invalidate ALL deities - because they were all 'invented' in that case.
Playing games? I bet people wouldn't be happy if a lot of Christians came on here and bashed them and told them that they were living in fairy tale books. I cannot believe how hurtful people can be to another person's beliefs.
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Comment by Founder on November 26, 2008 at 12:48am
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If anybody is following this blog I like to underline that Jack Flash erased lately his profile and so his comment got lost. So that you won't find anymore his reply to me. I think that besides he probably went mad for my replies tp him, he also realized that his assumptions among historical facts were wrong!!
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Jack,
If you keep continuing to mess up the meaning of my responses, I'm gonna stop my answers: I notice that you are not capable of understanding my answers and ignore my meaning. Also your comments are out of my blog theme that was: Are we all Neopagans?...
I repeat, whether you believe or not in the doctrinal corpum of those religions ( which is out of this blog theme ), it is INDUBITABLE AND CERTAIN that the old Pagan religions created and shaped the new current religions: among others Islam, Judaism and Christianism!!
This is my point for this blog issue!
Lastly, you're wrong in dating the beginning of monotheism with the Jews ( as you said 1000BC ...).
Monotheism, or belief in one God supreme, started instead in Bronze Age ( 3000 BC ..), and after that time, returned strongly en vogue, briefly, with the Egyptian Pharaoh Akhenaten 1280 BC ...
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Jack,
you cannot manipulate "in your way" my thoughts...
I said this is exactly truth because historical facts proved that Pagan Religions were before the new ones and, consequently, that the "new ones" were shaped on them!
As you , I believe, I'm a searcher for truth. But I like to see this "truth" from a wide angle perspective and not just from the small angle of "modern science". Modern science, in his blind intolerance, showed clearly his limits many times and cannot be taken as the only infallible tool of judgement....
Regarding science: if everything needs to be proven by default ( you finally are admitting the limit of modern science here !... ), this will mean that future discoveries not yet made are to be refuse at first!!
That's silly and close minded, as silly and close minded were many of the major religions in regarding of science in cours of history!... ( and still today in like for Islam ...).
That's is for me totally unacceptable.
People thinking like you is similar to a ballast that don't let fly the balloon in the sky...
Meanwhile will be my pleasure to show you how science, little by little, is discovering or becoming aware of natural laws that were already discovered by the ancient philosophers and alchemists.. I will do this next!!
Time will come that science will discover the "reality" of the soul and his transcendental status too... I wait with patience, without confusion among my mortal mind with my immortal soul, which are as we know two separated entities!!
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Donna,
you said "...Paulo, then we are all simply working our way to the One by different routes and since all religion sprang from the first Pagans then we are all Pagans who have become divided and are walking different paths to the same place. Would that be a fair simplification?...."
yeah.... this is exactly truth, as IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jack,
you said that "Science has explained the soul, you just choose to not believe it..."
I ignore completely then who's the science or scientist that discovered it ( the soul...) !!!!!??
Can you please be so kind to tell me who's this guy?
I do know exactly the opposite.. obviously speaking about "modern" science ....
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Jack,
historical facts ARE NOT perceptions, because are just FACTS !! Then I wont base on that my be an atheist!!
"Modern" Science refuse to explain and accept what cannot be see or proved ... that's why they refuse the concept of the soul and his existence.
Surely interpretations of reality can vary from people to people, but that's another issue! ...
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Jack,
What you call "changes" in the new religions, after an evolutionary path, are not so deep as you think. I can prove you that...
Obviously I don't deny being differences among old and new religions, BUT ... historical events are facts similar to words written in stones!! All the rest, no matter how we see this evolution that we call progress, society games, interactions among cults, other peoples faiths compared to ours ( as an example how Muslims see Jews ... ) are just our perception of reality ...
Perceptions can vary and be wrong, they can mislead you, but facts, historical events, remain as living proof, so that in this case: OLD PAGAN RELIGIONS MADE THE NEW ONES!
All the rest is silence ...
Amen
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Jack,
RE SCIENCE :
From Wikipedia: "Science (from the Latin scientia, meaning "knowledge" or "knowing") is the effort to discover, and increase human understanding of how the physical world works....."
Then the old philosophers were surely in search for "discoveries", then real scientists...
About your perception of science: you got confused or you want just to start the "merry go round" about modern science and old science. Science is just one and started with the Pagan thinkers.
Many of them were not just scientists but also philosophers, theurgists and so on.
It is not me that called Phytagoras in Wikipedia a scientist. Neither do I want here start to write the series of discoveries made by these enlightened souls.
Also people like Plato or Proclus, differently from modern atheists scientists, were capable to heal people just through their magic, without the aid of "science" or medicine...
Science cannot explain this "magical" part of the Universe that we call soul...
meditate on that ...
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Jack,
the comment on science you pasted:
"History 1450-1789: Scientific Method
Methods for investigating the natural world were transformed in the early modern era, leading to a variety of approaches that emerged from diverse philosophical orientations. To call these diverse methodologies "scientific" is a convenience but one that entails anachronistic usage. The Latin word scientia, meaning, broadly, 'knowledge', has none of the methodological implications of the modern term science. Early modern investigators called themselves philosophers, natural philosophers, physicians, and experimental or mathematical philosophers rather than scientists. Methodological issues often were the focus of lively discussions and bitter disputes. By the end of the era, approaches to investigating the natural world had undergone profound changes that historians traditionally have called the "scientific revolution."...
All the above reflects the usual contemporary ignorance that arises from having fragmented knowledge, separating matter from spirit!!
Your posting from 1450 seems a little bit outdated: even Positivism is dead, and it seems clear that today Quantum physics is approaching the vision of alchemy and ancient philosophers in its more advanced research.
I hope that in 2008 you will admit that not just everything that is proven its the only real thing.
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