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The price of an opinion
Well, I have seen first hand, why we cannot convince " others " to accept us and the views we ALL have, when some will not accept what we think. We all have different points of view, and I've read in here a lot of pretty interesting thoughts I may not agree with some, but that's why we are who we areI have been sensored, and that's sad. I've met a lot of very nice people in here.
I do have proof of what I say, and will share it. Already what has been written to me, has been sent to whom I thought it best to see. My husband is my teacher as well as mentor, and he too was hurt by viscious statements. For any that have my E ~ Mail, except one ( and you know who you are ), feel free to write me.
I am choosing to not be involved with this site any longer, and my husband has applied, and will cancel as well.
I just don't want anyone to get the wrong idea, as I am better than NONE.
Blessed Be to the nice people here, and best wishes. I want OUT of this site.
I do have proof of what I say, and will share it. Already what has been written to me, has been sent to whom I thought it best to see. My husband is my teacher as well as mentor, and he too was hurt by viscious statements. For any that have my E ~ Mail, except one ( and you know who you are ), feel free to write me.
I am choosing to not be involved with this site any longer, and my husband has applied, and will cancel as well.
I just don't want anyone to get the wrong idea, as I am better than NONE.
Blessed Be to the nice people here, and best wishes. I want OUT of this site.
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Permalink Reply by erthgoddss on
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I'm sorry you feel this way. I left a message for you on your page. I am hoping you re-assess. Blessings to you and yours!
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Permalink Reply by Rebecca (Community Moderator) on
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Let me make a few IMPORTANT points of clarification regarding this discussion topic:
1. Replies or comments in discussions initiated by the founder of this site ought to be considered serious and significant. He is extremely well-read and informed on the issues he chooses to engage in, so if you receive a stern and sincere reply from the founder within his own discussion subject, it's probably a good opportunity to review and reassess your previous comments / replies made. It's also an opportunity for you to open up to his view, perhaps ask questions to better understand, and to step into a different perspective and learn about it.
2. As Pagans, we need to be strong in our knowledge of our history, and if we are not, to admit our ignorance and begin to learn. Unfortunately it DOES HURT when our ignorance is exposed. And that is when we must step up, step in and educate ourselves, opening up to new ideas that may be surprising or uncomfortable at first, but valid and accurate.
3. Everyone is free to express their opinion on this site, as long as that expression doesn't infringe upon our very simple rules stated under the 'notes' tab.
Thanks,
Rebecca H.
Community Moderator
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Permalink Reply by Founder on
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Rebecca,
Thanks for your reply but for the "peace" and harmony of the community, in being also personally perplexed about the utility of my exposition of a Paganism that evidently seems to be stranger or in conflict to many, I won't anymore interfere with other friends of this community. I leave the fields so that I can dedicate more precious time to write my book on this matter.
I clearly expressed my intentions and my goal, but this seems misunderstood.
However what I said will remain, as will my disapproval for old ways of thinking...
In this community I heard stories out of this world, like that one that Paganism doesn't need churches! ( again the refusal of a Christian symbol that was instead before a Pagan symbol! and the obsession of it ! ) Do we forget about the Pagan ancient magnificent temples?... it is not then the church the problem, but our rejection of a symbol that became a kind of icon of major religions....
This obviously has nothing to do with the beauty of the temple, that was a sacred place where you could reconnect with divine superior and telluric energies.
Then ok for a revolution, for a revision, but not for an illogical chaos!!
This chaos will keep our feet in the mud of discrimination against Paganism, then against ourselves!!
So I will keep my distance and all of you that want to follow my vision can always jump on neopagan.com....
It is then understood that I basically disagree with many of the thoughts expressed by folks like Lunar and others. Freedom is beautiful but confusion stinks...
Ancient Tradition is one thing, personal thoughts, feelings, desires, egoic expectations, weakness masqueraded as tolerance has little to do with the pure Pagan Tradition!
Sadly I can feel that even among fervent and honest Pagans, the non Pagans were successful in letting them hate the great symbols of the past, that those non-Pagan impostors incorporated in their perverted visions!!
I arrogate, as a Roman descendent, a right to express and channel through my existence the will and wisdom of those energies generating this so called Tradition.
Surely you will hear my voice on Neopagan.com, the friendly site to this community, where I will prepare the advent of a new Paganism that will follow....
p.s. .. since I made so many pissed off I know that I did the right thing in saying what I said ,,,
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Donna,
Your wishes are mine:
The end of bigotry and discrimination against Paganism can eventually end only just through a really well articulated plan of action. This is what I'm planning to do next. For the moment I still believe it's better to stop my postings in this site, until my mission will be hopefully legitimated and approved. For further infos and reference I will post in the future, in www.neopagan.com, my thoughts and visions. In trying to achieve my goal it's better to get the help and understanding of many of you, instead of getting punches in the face... Then I take a moment of "reflection" now!
However it is really important to understand that if I act as a kind of severe censor it's just because the goal of my mission requires a momentary special effort of added clarity! Especially, we need, momentarily, to put aside our personal visions, to strenghten up, to create a unique force, based on historical proof with legitimate correlated documents. Then the whole Pagan community will benefit from this reform that will create a new perspective and acceptance from a Non Pagan perspective!!
To achieve that, I will create a structure that under my supervision will have a committee or board of Pagan folks. A structure that can represent the whole worldwide Pagan community. Whoever will be interested and will embed the needed requirements is welcome to join!!
Its not an easy task, but this is mainly my mission....
now I will say nothing more! ... See ya soon at www.neopagan.com!!
Donna said:I'd also like to say that I don't think anyone should be going off anywhere and cutting of dialogue because of disagreement. I think that when people disagree they should talk more, not less and should bring in others to help with the understanding. We all want an end to intolerance and bigotry. But, that's a very complicated process. Our world is a complex interaction between societies. We will disagree on how to do that. But, if we can't talk with each other and solve our differences, what hope do we have for promoting understanding in the world?
Paolo R. said:Rebecca,
Thanks for your reply but for the "peace" and harmony of the community, in being also personally perplexed about the utility of my exposition of a Paganism that evidently seems to be stranger or in conflict to many, I won't anymore interfere with other friends of this community. I leave the fields so that I can dedicate more precious time to write my book on this matter. I clearly expressed my intentions and my goal, but this seems misunderstood. However what I said will remain, as will my disapproval for old ways of thinking... In this community I heard stories out of this world, like that one that Paganism doesn't need churches! ( again the refusal of a Christian symbol that was instead before a Pagan symbol! and the obsession of it ! ) Do we forget about the Pagan ancient magnificent temples?... it is not then the church the problem, but our rejection of a symbol that became a kind of icon of major religions.... This obviously has nothing to do with the beauty of the temple, that was a sacred place where you could reconnect with divine superior and telluric energies. Then ok for a revolution, for a revision, but not for an illogical chaos!! This chaos will keep our feet in the mud of discrimination against Paganism, then against ourselves!!
So I will keep my distance and all of you that want to follow my vision can always jump on neopagan.com....
It is then understood that I basically disagree with many of the thoughts expressed by folks like Lunar and others. Freedom is beautiful but confusion stinks...
Ancient Tradition is one thing, personal thoughts, feelings, desires, egoic expectations, weakness masqueraded as tolerance has little to do with the pure Pagan Tradition!
Sadly I can feel that even among fervent and honest Pagans, the non Pagans were successful in letting them hate the great symbols of the past, that those non-Pagan impostors incorporated in their perverted visions!!
I arrogate, as a Roman descendent, a right to express and channel through my existence the will and wisdom of those energies generating this so called Tradition.
Surely you will hear my voice on Neopagan.com, the friendly site to this community, where I will prepare the advent of a new Paganism that will follow....
p.s. .. since I made so many pissed off I know that I did the right thing in saying what I said ,,,
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